Proposal: Clarifying instructions for Sequences of Plates (RDA 3.4.5.9)

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10 Responses to Proposal: Clarifying instructions for Sequences of Plates (RDA 3.4.5.9)

  1. Francis Lapka says:

    The proposal fixes most of the problems, but I’d like to see several additional changes.

    Suggestion 1: Refine the definition of plate

    Compare other definitions:

    Webster’s: a full-page illustration often on different paper from the text pages
    AAT (definition of which is, in turn, derived from the IFLA glossary for art librarians): Illustrations that are printed separately from the text they accompany, often on different paper; may be bound in with the text, tipped in, loose in a pocket, or bound in a separate volume
    DCRM(B): A leaf that is chiefly or entirely non-letterpress, or a folded leaf of any kind, inserted with letterpress gatherings of text. A plate usually contains illustrative matter, with or without accompanying text, but may contain only text (e.g., an engraved title page or a folded letterpress table)

    From these definitions, the fundamental attributes of a plate::

    usually an illustration
    often on different paper than the text pages
    Usually (or always?) printed by a different method than that used for the text

    Suggestions
    1a. Strike “explanatory.” Even when text appears with illustrative content on a plate, it is not always explanatory.
    1b. Consider striking “with or without explanatory text” altogether. It adds almost nothing to the definition.
    1c. Should “main sequence” be altered to “main sequence or sequences,” since there can be more than one?
    1d. Add the concepts of “printed separately” and “on different paper” to the definition of plate.

    A hasty stab:
    A leaf printed on one or both sides, usually containing illustrative content and often printed separately from the text of the volume, often on different paper. A plate does not form part of either the preliminary or the main sequence of pages or leaves.

    • Kathy Glennan says:

      Here’s a possible substitute definition:

      A leaf printed on one or both sides that does not form part of either the preliminary or the main sequence of pages or leaves. A plate usually contains illustrative content and is often printed on different paper, separate from the text of the volume.

      We could consider substituting “rest” for “text” in the above definition, so that this definition is more broadly applicable to other print resources that aren’t textual in nature.

  2. Francis Lapka says:

    Suggestion 2. Add definition of plate to the beginning of 3.4.5.9 (under the heading scope?).

  3. Francis Lapka says:

    Suggestion 3. Remove the if-and conditions. They amount to nothing more than “if you have plates.” Instead, begin with the text given after then: “Record the sequence or sequences …”

    • Dominique Bourassa says:

      I agree with Francis. The definition of plate says that a plate “does not form part of either the preliminary or the main sequence of pages or leaves.” But 3.4.5.8 say: if … the plates do not form part of either the preliminary or the main sequences of leaves, pages, or columns…” That statement is redundant or the definition of plate is wrong. Something needs to be corrected.

  4. Dominique Bourassa says:

    3.4.5.9.2 Unnumbered Sequences of Plates

    3.4.5.9.2 states: “When the sequence or sequences of plates in a resource are unnumbered, record the unnumbered leaves or pages of plates using the appropriate terms if…” This sounds strange to me. The instruction is not to record pages of plates but to record a number. Also, it is clear from the first part of the sentence that the plates are unnumbered. Finally, the phrase “record the unnumbered leaves or pages” is not used elsewhere in RDA. Instead, RDA uses “record the number of pages… “ such as in 3.4.5.3: “If the resource consists entirely of unnumbered pages, leaves, or columns, record the number of pages, leaves, or columns using one of the following method” Following this, 3.4.5.9 could say: “When the sequence or sequences of plates in a resource are unnumbered, record the number of leaves or pages of plates using the appropriate terms…”

    Instead of “If considered important for identification or selection, record the unnumbered leaves or pages of plates,” maybe the “Optional addition” could say “If considered important for identification or selection, record the number of unnumbered leaves or pages of plates.”

  5. Dominique Bourassa says:

    Hello CC:DA members,
    I am just trying the new edit button.

  6. Larisa Walsh says:

    In Optional addition, 3.4.5.9. 2. in the Example: 323 pages, 22 unnumbered pages of plates, Contains 16 pages and 3 leaves of plates

    Shouldn’t it be: 19 unnumbered pages, not 22?

  7. Kathy Glennan says:

    One situation the current draft does not address: what if the plates [individual illustrations] are numbered, but there’s more than one illustration on an unnumbered leaf/page?

    I assume we would use the “unnumbered sequence” instructions for this situation. How should we revise the proposal to clarify this?

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